Comments on: Tuoli: China’s Mysterious Milk Drinkers

By: ‘The China Study’ and ‘Forks over Knives’, links to critiques | Julianne's Paleo & Zone Nutrition Blog

Mon, 28 Nov 2011 02:41:39 +0000

[...] Tuoli: China’s Mysterious Milk Drinkers (Information on the health of a Chinese county that eats nearly two pounds of dairy, ample fat, and 134 grams of animal protein per day.) [...]

By: Er planteproteiner i kosten sundere end dyreproteiner? | mkittekatbloggen

Er planteproteiner i kosten sundere end dyreproteiner? | mkittekatbloggen — Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:11:41 +0000

[...] does Campbell overlook the unique Tuoli peoples documented in the China Study, who eat twice as much animal protein as the average American [...]

By: H Masri (@Sryn)

H Masri (@Sryn) — Sun, 23 Oct 2011 08:18:27 +0000

Hi, I don’t know whether any commentators or you (Ms Minger) yourself have mentioned about transpoosion.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/19/us-faeces-transplants-idUSTRE70I1UT20110119

I did a site search for that word on this site and nothing came up, so I might be the first to bring this up.

I first came to know about that ‘procedure’ from a podcast of the guys that did Freakanomics.

Anyway, my own amateur understanding is that we humans build up a natural ‘protection’ from the place we live and our way of life there. To claim that eating higher levels of fat will ‘kill’ you would have been proven by the fact that over time in history, those Tuolians would not be living there as they would find that they have a high mortality rate.

From another book (I think it was Guns, Germs & Steel) I read that the Australian Aborigines understood the La Nina cycle (extensive drought periods) and over time developed cultural restraints for population control. I think the same book mentioned a Polynesian island that had a primary diet intake of chicken which they knew their production/rearing capacity and induced (forcibly?) population controls.

My hunch is that those Tuolians have certain helpful bacteria in their body that helps them process their meat/dairy heavy diet. These bacteria could have easily transferred over to them from the animals they lived with. I know I’m assuming the bacteria, if they really do exist, came from the reared animals. But this supposition comes from the history of how Edward Jenner found the cure for cowpox, i.e. when he observed that milkmaids had the most blemish-free skins.

I can think of using identical twins that were raised together to separate and one of them living with the Tuolians after a tranpoosion from a Tuolian, and the other twin eating basically what the Tuoli-living twin is eating, but at the twins’ home, to ‘prove’ this supposition.

Cheers and apologies for the laziness to really check out this site in case transpoosion (or its idea) have been mentioned already.

5ryn

By: So much for the alkaline diet theory. « The Bone Architect

So much for the alkaline diet theory. « The Bone Architect — Mon, 01 Aug 2011 05:01:50 +0000

[...] counties with “distinct lifestyles and diets”: the dairy-and-meat-loving Xianghuangqi, the infamous dairy-full Tuoli, and the rural, nearly-vegan farming towns of Jiexiu, Cangxi, and [...]

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By: Stefan

Stefan — Tue, 17 May 2011 17:03:39 +0000

I’m new to the whole “China Study” stuff.

However, if you have the stats, studying Xinjiang province in general would be worthwhile. The indigenous Uygur ethnic group is Muslim–no aversion to meat and dairy. Despite living in China, their norms and diet are more central Asian. Lots of mutton, especially. It would have been very pertinent, in any study of Chinese diet, especially looking at meat consumption and health, to analyze this outlier area. If this region was not analyzed, it represents an omission in any study of this type.

By: Forks Over Knives Review | Ready State Fitness

Forks Over Knives Review | Ready State Fitness — Sun, 15 May 2011 22:07:47 +0000

[...] Tuoli: China’s Mysterious Milk Drinkers (Information on the health of a Chinese county that eats nearly two pounds of dairy, ample fat, and 134 grams of animal protein per day.) [...]

By: Joel Sears

Joel Sears — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:58:14 +0000

I appreciate your research efforts. I would like you to compare the Tuoli with middle of the pack Chinese counties. The near Vegan Chinese diets could be really be really bad diets.
I wonder where the Tuoli people get their Vitamin C. Pasturized whole milk has 2 mg. of Vitamin C per cup.

By: Roms

Roms — Fri, 11 Feb 2011 03:05:16 +0000

The Tuolians also must be exercisng a lot considering the place they stay in has no western comforts and that can definitely lead to them having no impdending lifestyle diseases despite eating such high fat food. While the westerens will far exceed the fat and the not even walk 20 steps a day. Hence because Tuoliand can survive well on such a diest does not mean westereners can too, which is clear from the way people on western diet are heading towards the lifestyle diseases at a faster pace than ever before

By: Dan D

Dan D — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 23:20:25 +0000

The cholesterol numbers are interesting.
I’m still missing something as far as comparing CHD mortality rates. The Tuoli study shows deaths per 1000, but the chart you referred me to shows deaths per 100,000. If I’m right about that, the Chinese folks have higher rates than Americans.

My neighbor raises Boer goats. Strangely, she and her husband don’t eat meat, so I can’t ask her what goat meat is like.