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		<title>By: &#8216;The China Study&#8217; and &#8216;Forks over Knives&#8217;, links to critiques &#124; Julianne&#039;s Paleo &#38; Zone Nutrition Blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 02:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] A Closer Look at the China Study: Dairy and Disease (Associations the “dairy” variable has with various diseases in China.) [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Debunking Myths About An Animal Based Diet &#124; EUPHORY</title>
		<link>http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/06/20/a-closer-look-at-the-china-study-dairy-and-disease/#comment-9359</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Debunking Myths About An Animal Based Diet &#124; EUPHORY]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 01:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Forks Over Knives&#8221;: Is the Science Legit? (A Review and Critique) &#171; Raw Food SOS: Troubleshooting on the Raw Food Diet</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 21:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gordon Wayne Watts (@Gordon_W_Watts)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon Wayne Watts (@Gordon_W_Watts)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 10:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What! -- Stupid Facebook app did not take my post -- it appears only in that Browser --so, I apologise if it double-posts... - trying the Twitter app this time:

... as I was saying...


I looked at the graph and did an estimated linear regression in my head (since I can&#039;t get my word processor to do it).

Here is my analysis:

#1 -Apparently, with such a wide variation in heart disease among the non-dairy-consuming regions, is is obvious that there are factors OTHER than dairy to contribute -- such as maybe stress or other dietary factors (or even sleep and/or exercise factors).

#2 - Nonetheless, I can see some correlation, and this graph, taken together with other data in my head from other sources, produces some VERY small p-Value, on the order of like 0.0001 or so.

#3 - The &#039;R&#039; (relatedness) Value is not as large for heart disease vs dairy as it is with other things vs dairy, as evidenced by the facts in #1 above.

#4 - I suspect that the lower association (&#039;R&#039; value) with diseases in general is that less processing of the milk is done in China vis-a-viz other countries, though I do not know this for a fact. (Highly processed milk is MUCH worse for your health, or so I infer.)

#5 - For anyone new here, I have posted a more detailed analysis on both my own blogs&#039; Health sections as well as other comments threads of Denise&#039;s blog here, and she was kind enough to let me. I address the correlation and causation relationship, and admit that a common cause, though unlikely or small in effect, could be a factor.

Gordon W. Watts
A.S., Electronics Technology, UEI, Valedictorian
B.S., Biological / Chemical Sciences: double major with honours
The Florida State University]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What! &#8212; Stupid Facebook app did not take my post &#8212; it appears only in that Browser &#8211;so, I apologise if it double-posts&#8230; &#8211; trying the Twitter app this time:</p>
<p>&#8230; as I was saying&#8230;</p>
<p>I looked at the graph and did an estimated linear regression in my head (since I can&#8217;t get my word processor to do it).</p>
<p>Here is my analysis:</p>
<p>#1 -Apparently, with such a wide variation in heart disease among the non-dairy-consuming regions, is is obvious that there are factors OTHER than dairy to contribute &#8212; such as maybe stress or other dietary factors (or even sleep and/or exercise factors).</p>
<p>#2 &#8211; Nonetheless, I can see some correlation, and this graph, taken together with other data in my head from other sources, produces some VERY small p-Value, on the order of like 0.0001 or so.</p>
<p>#3 &#8211; The &#8216;R&#8217; (relatedness) Value is not as large for heart disease vs dairy as it is with other things vs dairy, as evidenced by the facts in #1 above.</p>
<p>#4 &#8211; I suspect that the lower association (&#8216;R&#8217; value) with diseases in general is that less processing of the milk is done in China vis-a-viz other countries, though I do not know this for a fact. (Highly processed milk is MUCH worse for your health, or so I infer.)</p>
<p>#5 &#8211; For anyone new here, I have posted a more detailed analysis on both my own blogs&#8217; Health sections as well as other comments threads of Denise&#8217;s blog here, and she was kind enough to let me. I address the correlation and causation relationship, and admit that a common cause, though unlikely or small in effect, could be a factor.</p>
<p>Gordon W. Watts<br />
A.S., Electronics Technology, UEI, Valedictorian<br />
B.S., Biological / Chemical Sciences: double major with honours<br />
The Florida State University</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Wayne Watts</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon Wayne Watts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 10:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I looked at the graph and did an estimated linear regression in my head (since I can&#039;t get my word processor to do it - LOL).

Here is my analysis:

#1 -Apparently, with such a wide variation in heart disease among the non-dairy-consuming regions, is is obvious that there are factors OTHER than dairy to contribute -- such as maybe stress or other dietary factors (or even sleep and/or exercise factors).

#2 - Nonetheless, I can see some correlation, and this graph, taken together with other data in my head from other sources, produces some VERY small p-Value, on the order of like 0.0001 or so.

#3 - The &#039;R&#039; (relatedness) Value is not as large for heart disease vs dairy as it is with other things vs dairy, as evidenced by the facts in #1 above.

#4 - I suspect that the lower association (&#039;R&#039; value) with diseases in general is that less processing of the milk is done in China vis-a-viz other countries, though I do not know this for a fact. (Highly processed milk is MUCH worse for your health, or so I infer.)

#5 - For anyone new here, I have posted a more detailed analysis on both my own blogs&#039; Health sections:

http://GordonWatts.com/#health
or:
http://GordonWayneWatts.com/#health

-as well as other comments threads of Denise&#039;s blog here, and she was kind enough to let me. I address the correlation and causation relationship, and admit that a common cause, though unlikely or small in effect, could be a factor.

Gordon W. Watts
A.S., Electronics Technology, UEI, Valedictorian
B.S., Biological / Chemical Sciences: double major with honours
The Florida State University]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked at the graph and did an estimated linear regression in my head (since I can&#8217;t get my word processor to do it &#8211; LOL).</p>
<p>Here is my analysis:</p>
<p>#1 -Apparently, with such a wide variation in heart disease among the non-dairy-consuming regions, is is obvious that there are factors OTHER than dairy to contribute &#8212; such as maybe stress or other dietary factors (or even sleep and/or exercise factors).</p>
<p>#2 &#8211; Nonetheless, I can see some correlation, and this graph, taken together with other data in my head from other sources, produces some VERY small p-Value, on the order of like 0.0001 or so.</p>
<p>#3 &#8211; The &#8216;R&#8217; (relatedness) Value is not as large for heart disease vs dairy as it is with other things vs dairy, as evidenced by the facts in #1 above.</p>
<p>#4 &#8211; I suspect that the lower association (&#8216;R&#8217; value) with diseases in general is that less processing of the milk is done in China vis-a-viz other countries, though I do not know this for a fact. (Highly processed milk is MUCH worse for your health, or so I infer.)</p>
<p>#5 &#8211; For anyone new here, I have posted a more detailed analysis on both my own blogs&#8217; Health sections:</p>
<p><a href="http://GordonWatts.com/#health" rel="nofollow">http://GordonWatts.com/#health</a><br />
or:<br />
<a href="http://GordonWayneWatts.com/#health" rel="nofollow">http://GordonWayneWatts.com/#health</a></p>
<p>-as well as other comments threads of Denise&#8217;s blog here, and she was kind enough to let me. I address the correlation and causation relationship, and admit that a common cause, though unlikely or small in effect, could be a factor.</p>
<p>Gordon W. Watts<br />
A.S., Electronics Technology, UEI, Valedictorian<br />
B.S., Biological / Chemical Sciences: double major with honours<br />
The Florida State University</p>
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		<title>By: Where Fruit Meets Ice Cream &#171; Big Apple Sighter</title>
		<link>http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/06/20/a-closer-look-at-the-china-study-dairy-and-disease/#comment-7954</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Where Fruit Meets Ice Cream &#171; Big Apple Sighter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] &#8220;We are not really sure what the problem is.&#8221; Maybe it was the recently popular China Study link between dairy and disease, or my own lactose intolerance and general congestion after eating [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Forks Over Knives Review &#124; Ready State Fitness</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Forks Over Knives Review &#124; Ready State Fitness]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 22:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This discussion points out one important fact.  There are so many variables that go into causation of complex diseases like cancer and heart disease, that it becomes impossible to isolate any one variable as &quot;the&quot; cause.   It&#039;s clear to me that the correlations do not prove Campbell&#039;s theory that the only rational approach to eating is to become a vegan.  I wonder why Campbell chose to publish for the public rather than for a scientific publication which would have subjected his work to critical peer review.  Without that his conclusions are inherently suspect.  Having listened to friends who are enamoured with his theories--highly intelligent people--draw completely unjustified conclusions, I can see how easily the general public is taken in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This discussion points out one important fact.  There are so many variables that go into causation of complex diseases like cancer and heart disease, that it becomes impossible to isolate any one variable as &#8220;the&#8221; cause.   It&#8217;s clear to me that the correlations do not prove Campbell&#8217;s theory that the only rational approach to eating is to become a vegan.  I wonder why Campbell chose to publish for the public rather than for a scientific publication which would have subjected his work to critical peer review.  Without that his conclusions are inherently suspect.  Having listened to friends who are enamoured with his theories&#8211;highly intelligent people&#8211;draw completely unjustified conclusions, I can see how easily the general public is taken in.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Halocene Human</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Another Halocene Human]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 00:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s funny. I can manipulate my bp very effectively with salt intake/outflow (sweating makes it go bye-bye, of course), and to the best of my knowledge me and my burn-in-the-shade Irish hide are not of near-term African ancestry.

I&#039;ve read 1/3 of the US population are sensitive to sodium in their diet. If you are part of the insensitive 2/3, more power to you. (But neener neener, I can use salt in place of aspirin!!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s funny. I can manipulate my bp very effectively with salt intake/outflow (sweating makes it go bye-bye, of course), and to the best of my knowledge me and my burn-in-the-shade Irish hide are not of near-term African ancestry.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read 1/3 of the US population are sensitive to sodium in their diet. If you are part of the insensitive 2/3, more power to you. (But neener neener, I can use salt in place of aspirin!!)</p>
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		<title>By: Andrés</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrés]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent! Just to avoid jinxing it too, I won&#039;t comment with anyone else that piece of info ;-).

About the wheat issue, a posteriori it is clear that those pieces of information should have been recollected. It is really a pity that finally it won&#039;t happen. I hope wheat effects are ameliorated by fermentation and by pumping up fish intake since I am not giving up bread yet :-). Nevertheless I am going to bring down pasta consumption a little more too, just in case. I keep eating almost anything but these days  my diet is more similar to a paleo one (lot of nuts, steamed broccoli, dairy products --I just love cheese-- and so on).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent! Just to avoid jinxing it too, I won&#8217;t comment with anyone else that piece of info <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>About the wheat issue, a posteriori it is clear that those pieces of information should have been recollected. It is really a pity that finally it won&#8217;t happen. I hope wheat effects are ameliorated by fermentation and by pumping up fish intake since I am not giving up bread yet <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . Nevertheless I am going to bring down pasta consumption a little more too, just in case. I keep eating almost anything but these days  my diet is more similar to a paleo one (lot of nuts, steamed broccoli, dairy products &#8211;I just love cheese&#8211; and so on).</p>
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