Comments on: Exciting Update: Analyzing the China Study

By: Bushrat

Bushrat — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:50:13 +0000

Hey Denise, in the Myocardial infarction variables for Excell 2007 data set you have the fish intake times per year data in column O as well (its unnamed).

Cheers
- Bushrat

By: Sue

Sue — Sun, 11 Jul 2010 07:50:32 +0000

John, you’ve already posted the same thing. I think once is enough.

By: John

John — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 22:30:53 +0000

Don’t be fooled people, Denise has misinterpreted raw data, just as many inexperienced “researchers” do. Denise is not qualified to read such data correctly.
Please refer to the use and misuse on pp. 54-82 of the China Project monograph.

The following is Dr Campbell’s rebuttal. The rest can be found http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/campbell_china_response.htm

” China Project results are no exception to these limitations of single experiments. It was very large, unique and comprehensive but it was observational (i.e., not interventional), simply observing things as they were at a single point in time. It provided an exceptionally large number of hypothetical associations (shown as statistically assessed correlations) that may indicate but does not prove cause and effect relationships. These unanalyzed correlations are considered raw or crude. It is highly unusual to find such ‘raw’ data in a scientific report because, in part, untrained observers may misunderstand such raw data.

For the monograph, we were somewhat uncertain whether to publish such raw data but decided to do so for two principle reasons. First, we wanted to make these data available to other researchers, while hoping that data misuse would not be a significant problem. Second, because these data were collected in rural China at a time when data reliability might have been questioned, we chose to be as transparent as possible. We discussed data use and misuse on pp. 54-82 of the China Project monograph that curiously was overlooked by Masterjohn and Jay’Y’.

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By: Karen Ferguson

Karen Ferguson — Thu, 08 Jul 2010 12:51:33 +0000

Enjoy your blog and your pioneer spirit as to what works for you. Used to be one couldn’t call themselves a “raw vegan” and eat meat at the same time. In the 60′s there was almost a “class distinction” between the vegetarians and the vegans.
I tried being vegetarian, vegan and raw vegan for a long time. And, I was encouraged to go to a Nourishing Traditions [based on Westin PRice, DDS] seminar in Vancouver, BC. I went and what I heard was shockingly revolutionary to me. Butter? Eggs? Whole foods? Wasn’t I eating whole foods?
It took all I had in me to cancel my advance seminar with MCDougall when I returned home. Thank heavens I did! Otherwise, it would have been more of the same: I would have felt like a failure, that it was my fault that I couldn’t do it, that something was wrong w/ me.
That was 6 years ago. I’m down over 65 pounds, don’t eat sugar or flour and weigh my portions. I still have 20 or so to go. I was overfed and undernourished. I credit Sally Fallon and Thomas Cowan MD for their help in turning my information around. Gary Taubes has since come out w/ a book that is also revolutionary. I adore his work and his guts to put it out there. It took 3 years before I was “sold.”
My mind is back, my memory is slowly returning, and I can get up and out in the morning w/ less “down” feelings. I am Happy! wow.
I applaud you for making your own way!! Keep writing and I am, for sure going to keep reading your blog. Thank you.

Joy,
Karen
ps. McD is now promoting the use of sugar. Didn’t he learn anything from Dean Ornish, MD another low fat diet guru… http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2010other/news/weil.htm

By: g.

g. — Sun, 30 May 2010 07:18:01 +0000

This oughta be good…

By: Bette

Bette — Tue, 25 May 2010 10:50:59 +0000

I await with baited breath….